I want to have a discussion about bestiality -- but no one’s talking. People are avoiding me. Why is that? Why is everyone so damn touchy? Well, perhaps because bestiality is illegal; also it’s one of our oldest taboos. There’s also issues around consent and cruelty.
There’s a video, somewhere in the depths of Youtube. A woman openly admits to having sex regularly with her minature stallion. If you search for Zoophilia on Youtube it’s probably still there. Her husband admits to having sex with the same stallion. Sheds a whole new light on keeping stuff in the family doesn’t it?
And there’s those stories. The bestiality tales that we have told from long, long ago. So why can’t we speak about bestiality? We’re all grownups. Do we feel uncomfortable, because we think that by talking about bestiality we’re going to be tainted with debauchery? That depravity will hang over us, like a witches curse? We’ve even given it a new name; zoophilia. Maybe it sanitises it, makes it acceptable. But we’re still talking about the same thing; sex with animals.
And I’m willing to bet that more people will be upset with me for this post than they were about my necrophilia post a couple of weeks ago.
Yes, it’s taboo, but it’s part of our cultural, literary history. Right up to the present day, Erotica writers are telling us ‘changeling’ stories. Lycanthrope stories; stories that are getting as close as you can to bestiality, without it actually being bestiality. I think it’s the publishers who are running scared, not the writers or our readers. On the Lust Bites site, Janine Ashbless tells us that the Black Lace editor wails;
“It’s got to have a human head!”
Janine also tells us;
“A few years back I wrote a story, The Dragon’s Bride, in which a woman has sex with a dragon. (Have you any idea how hard I’d get my ass kicked if I submitted that story these days?) It was a Big Cock Fantasy really. Some people loved it, and some recoiled from it: “Sex with a talking dragon is still bestiality!” they squealed.”
Jude Mason writes;
“Ah, bestiality. I follow guidelines carefully for that. Most pubs won't allow the girl/guy to get it on with an animal. Doesn't matter if both are changelings. They want the couple to be of the same breed. I've had m/m changelings, as beasties screwing. I've probably had other animals too. A pair of cougars, m/f and also m/m/f cougars. I always have them as the same breed. The sex play can start with one as an animal the other human, but before it gets too serious, one changes…I don't think I've ever written what is classically referred to as bestiality. Human/animal sex. It's not saleable to most pubs…”
Is bestiality a fetish? Probably. Is it a perversion? Is it a fantasy? I think most people, in the broad light of day, would find the act, of a human having sex with an animal, weird, if not repulsive. But…there’s still those dark, tales whispered by the firelight. Stories…
So, why are we telling ourselves these stories? Is it a craving for the forbidden? Is the taboo buried deep in our unconscious minds, resurfacing in our stories, fantasies and dreams? The Greek myths tell us real bestiality stories. Humans actually having sex with animals. Those stories are as old as time itself. Those old writers weren’t so timid. Are those guys just telling dirty stories? Or is it something deeper?
In Greek mythology, Zeus, the King of the gods, fell in love with the mortal girl, Leda. He came to her in the form of a swan, and raped her.
You would think that as King of the gods, Zeus could have organised things differently. He could have just made Leda fall in love with him. But the ancient tellers of this story, must have thought it completely crucial, absolutely necessary for a human/animal sex scene to take place.
Another Greek myth tells the story of Pasiphae, the wife of King Minos of Crete. King Minos had a beautiful bull, which he was supposed to sacrifice to Poseidon. Instead, the King sacrificed an inferior bull. As punishment, Poseidon made Pasiphae fall in love with the bull. Queen Pasiphae devised a plan so that she could copulate with the bull. She asked the architect, Daedalus, to build her a wooden cow. The cow was hollow, for her to hide in. The bull was brought to her and they mated. From their union, the Minotaur, half man, half bull was conceived.
The myths are beautiful, yet horrible; even right now, in the 21st century we know that we are being told something forbidden. But the stories will not die, they have been told, over and over again down the generations. The words have been spoken.
In a similar vein, just take a look at European folk tales and fairy stories. Beauty and the Beast. Little Red Ridinghood. The Frog Prince. Are they so innocent? The stories have close, intimate relationships with animals as their theme. We assume that they are stories for children, teaching them ideals such as love, sacrifice and obedience. But I think that the themes are dark and tell us more about our sexuality, our yearning for the taboo and our relationship with animals than we care to dwell on.
The stories have been retold many times, perhaps most memorably by Angela Carter. Angela spoke about the story of Cinderella, claiming that the glass slipper, was actually a fur slipper. A mistranslation; fourrure is fur, and verre is glass. She also retold the story of Little Red Ridinghood, in The Company of Wolves.
“All the better to eat you with,” the wolf says to the little girl, at the end of the story.
“The girl burst out laughing; she knew she was nobody’s meat. She laughed at him full in the face, she ripped off his shirt…”
The wolf doesn’t eat the girl, the girl has the wolf, in an erotic ending that has more than a suggestion of a bestiality story about it. Angela retells the old story without Disney. No saccharine sweetness here.
I suppose the point that I’m getting to with this is that we know that we are being told these stories. Publishers and editors must think that their readers are stupid. A clever writer will get around the censorship, with a few dark hints. And yes, it is censorship. I expect more from publishers and editors. I don’t like being patronised and I don’t like being told what I can and can’t read. Writers are allowed those dark hints; those highly charged metaphors, as long as they don’t say it like it is.
I don’t know about you, but this annoys the hell out of me. I think it irks Janine Ashbless too.
“Does this playing around with taboo smack of hypocrisy? Or is it the hallmark of the erotic always to be dancing on the edge of the Forbidden?”
Well, is it?
Janine continues;
“One look at Furry communities lets you know how important the symbolic power of the animal-human is. Pony-girls are a favourite fantasy of many people. Cowboy erotica obsesses about horses and sex in stables. And what about the HUGE interest in lycanthropes in romantic fiction? The entire point of werewolf erotica is the fetishising of the fact they can turn into animals at any moment, isn’t it?”
In her story collection, Cruel Enchantment, Janine tells a short story about a werewolf initiation orgy. Do you wanna read the bit where the heroine actually has sex with a wolf? Brace yourself; here it comes:
“As soon as she was released this time, Michel rolled her over onto her front. Someone took her from behind, quick and slippery and panting, his balls slapping audibly against her pussy, and after he had finished another mounted her. Her first thought was that this man had an extraordinarily hairy chest and thighs – and then her second thought was a white streak of incredulity., but Michel held her down hard so that she couldn’t wriggle round and look behind her. She buried her face in his leg, half laughing and half sobbing, and pure shock wrenched another orgasm from her.”
Shocking, wasn’t it? I doubt you’ll ever recover.
And finally, here’s an extract from Jude Mason’s story; Cat’s Claw.
“Turning back to the male, she took a couple of tentative steps closer, and sniffed at him. Close to swooning from the heady aroma, she stumbled forward and butted her head against his shoulder. Hard muscles met her, his purring increased in volume.
She felt something touch her ear. An ear that seemed somehow jointed as it twitched at the soft caress. Another caress, and then to her wonder, she felt her chest rattle in an answering purr.
The male rose and stretched beside her, his body touching hers unobtrusively. His head was at her shoulder and he faced her rear. She watched his tail flick.
Suddenly, there came a weird wrenching from deep inside her belly. Her vision blurred as pain tore at her stomach. She grunted, felt herself falling, and then suddenly held as pain wrapped its vicious arms around her. Opening her mouth to scream, she was surprised when all that came out was a mewling whimper.
The pain was gone before it was fully realized, and her body shifted. That was the only way she could describe it, a shifting, stretching sensation that frightened her, yet felt right and familiar. Her skin crawled. Searing agony gripped her thighs and she realized they were actually elongating, reshaping into human form. The fur, soft and gorgeous as it was, drew into her skin, absorbed to feed the change. Her shoulder snapped, and for an instant, pain wracked her full force as her upper body realigned itself. The rest came easily. Her hands and feet shifted, reforming to a more recognizable shape. Her face went numb, and she was glad that she couldn't feel those changes as they took place.
Falling to her side, she lay exhausted and panting, while the last few transformations finished themselves; and saw the male beside her.
He too lay stretched out on the grass—on his belly—gasping from his own change. She watched his back rise and fall with his breathing.
For a moment, she thought to flee. Panic—insidious, half-formed—gnawed at her. Who was he? What had just happened? What would Joshua think when he found her missing? Her dreams, nightmares, were real.
A groan from beside her brought her focus back to the here and now. He moved, not much, just tensing his muscles and stretching his arms ahead of himself. Long sleek muscles, gorgeous ass and powerful legs—again she yearned to reach out and stroke him.
She knew it was insane. How could she be so drawn to him—it—she didn't even know what he was, or what she was.
The man groaned and turned over.
Morgan gasped. Joshua lay facing her.
His eyes were closed. He had a soft smile on his face, as though he were dreaming some sweet dream and was unwilling to awaken. And like her, he was naked. His soft pelt had vanished, or was in the process of doing so as she watched. Fur seemed to melt into him. His face, although close to human, was in the last stages of the change. Chin and cheekbones formed, and then it was him—Joshua.”
Stories are so important to us. We’ve told, and been told stories since our beginnings, way back. We’ll continue to tell them into eternity. We’ve come a long way as a species, but our primitive, earthy side still wants more stories. I suppose a sulky publisher would tell me to go and look at the porn on the Web. I don’t want to, it’s crude; there’s no finesse. The stories don’t have to include animals, neither do they have to include the sex act. There’s a great erotic story, by Julia Moore; Bad Doggy, which includes neither. With a bit of imagination and some of those dark hints, the most prudish publisher needn’t be offended.
I don’t want to be ‘allowed’ to read what a publisher thinks I need to read. I’m a grown up. I wish publishers would grow up too. I want stories from great writers like Angela, Janine and Jude. Writers who know their craft and don’t want to be patronised any more than I do.
“In the Church-oriented culture of the Middle Ages, zoosexual activity was met with execution, typically burning, and death to the animals involved either the same way or by hanging. Masters comments that:
"Theologians, bowing to Biblical prohibitions and basing their judgements on the conception of man as a spiritual being and of the animal as a merely carnal one, have regarded the same phenomenon as both a violation of Biblical edicts and a degradation of man, with the result that the act of bestiality has been castigated and anathematized [...]"
In 1468, Jean Beisse, accused of bestiality with a cow on one occasion and a goat on another, was first hanged, then burned. The animals involved were also burned. In 1539, Guillaume Garnier, charged with intercourse with a female dog (described as "sodomy"), was ordered strangled after he confessed under torture. The dog was burned, along with the trial records which were "too horrible and potentially dangerous to be permitted to exist" (Masters). In 1601, Claudine de Culam, a young girl of sixteen, was convicted of copulating with a dog. Both the girl and the dog were first hanged,and finally burned. In 1735, Francois Borniche was charged with sexual intercourse with animals. It was greatly feared that "his infamous debauches may corrupt the young men." He was imprisoned. There is no record of his release.
On the other hand, other accounts are more possibly fictitious, such as Pietro Damiani's, who in his "De bono religiosi status et variorum animatium tropologia" (11th Century) tells of a Count Gulielmus whose pet ape became his wife's lover. One day the ape became "mad with jealousy" on seeing the count lying with his wife that it fatally attacked him. Damain claims he was told about this incident by Pope Alexander II and shown an offspring claimed to be that of the ape and woman. (Illustrated Book of Sexual Records)
Clergyman and chronicler Gerald of Wales claimed to have witnessed a man having intercourse with a horse as part of a pagan ritual in Ireland.
(Wiki) In the Church-oriented culture of the Middle Ages, zoosexual activity was met with execution, typically burning, and death to the animals involved either the same way or by hanging. Masters comments that:
"Theologians, bowing to Biblical prohibitions and basing their judgements on the conception of man as a spiritual being and of the animal as a merely carnal one, have regarded the same phenomenon as both a violation of Biblical edicts and a degradation of man, with the result that the act of bestiality has been castigated and anathematized [...]"
In 1468, Jean Beisse, accused of bestiality with a cow on one occasion and a goat on another, was first hanged, then burned. The animals involved were also burned. In 1539, Guillaume Garnier, charged with intercourse with a female dog (described as "sodomy"), was ordered strangled after he confessed under torture. The dog was burned, along with the trial records which were "too horrible and potentially dangerous to be permitted to exist" “(Masters). In 1601, Claudine de Culam, a young girl of sixteen, was convicted of copulating with a dog. Both the girl and the dog were first hanged,and finally burned. In 1735, Francois Borniche was charged with sexual intercourse with animals. It was greatly feared that "his infamous debauches may corrupt the young men." He was imprisoned. There is no record of his release.
On the other hand, other accounts are more possibly fictitious, such as Pietro Damiani's, who in his "De bono religiosi status et variorum animatium tropologia" (11th Century) tells of a Count Gulielmus whose pet ape became his wife's lover. One day the ape became "mad with jealousy" on seeing the count lying with his wife that it fatally attacked him. Damain claims he was told about this incident by Pope Alexander II and shown an offspring claimed to be that of the ape and woman. (Illustrated Book of Sexual Records)
Clergyman and chronicler Gerald of Wales claimed to have witnessed a man having intercourse with a horse as part of a pagan ritual in Ireland.
(Wiki)
I applaud your article. Publishers 'fears' are just compounded by payment gateways that will not allow such writing. Once again, people try to push their morals on everyone else.
ReplyDeleteAs an aside, bestiality is not illegal everywhere.
I just published an anthology of taboo erotica (including 1 story with bestiality) and I am happy to applaud Smashwords for not being against it in their TOS - they even added my book to their premium catalog.
Once again - I applaud your article. Nothing should be so 'shameful' that it cannot be talked about. And the thing is - I have found that those who are the most vocal against something usually have a secret craving for it.
Thank you so much for your comment Raya -- I had the idea that the subject matter would be something that people would shy away from; a fear of contamination by association. It seems, that with just your one comment I was correct!
ReplyDeleteAnd I am amused that when I tweeted the post on Twitter a Christian fundamentalist slammed a "Danger Pornography" notice on me. I bet he didn't even read the article -- he just saw the word Bestiality and freaked out!
Interestingly, although there seems to be a reluctance to admitting to reading my post, in one week, it has had over a thousand viewings, so a lot of people are taking a sneaky peek -- they just don't want to let me know who they are.
This is actually quite fascinating. I've never put much thought into it, to be honest, but I realize what you're saying. So many things are still "taboo." Adultery. Why can't we have adultery? People cheat on spouses every day. Drinking/smoking. I had a publisher who refused to put a girl smoking a cig on the cover even though the heroine was a hard-core smoker. BUT asses are okay? *smh* Makes no sense.
ReplyDeleteThank you for another fascinating and thoughtful blog post! You're very brave to tackle subjects like this. Keep it up!
ReplyDeleteHow interesting.
ReplyDeleteIllegal or not, such copulations happen every day. I saw such a scene, years ago when a young lady came home on her birthday to a surprise birthday party that left everyone there surprised when her stop in the kitchen, at the rear of the house, lasted too long. "Good Doggy!" Amazon banned (for a while) the "Moan for Bigfoot" series by Virginia Wa. I read two of the books and they were just a comic romp formatted around a mythical creature. My trilogy "The Sisters of Reah Leah' includes consensual sex between separate--alien-- species. Would they be considered as involving themselves in bestiality. I hope not! There are so many other things for critics and publishers to concern themselves with. Brutal rape, humiliation, extreme punishments, and forced sodomy abound in books they pay no attention. There are autographical books that include some truly heinous acts. Should they be banned? In conclusion, one need only put a book down to end any offense they find in the subject matter!
ReplyDeleteI do find Amazon's attitude to what they will publish and what they can absolutely not publish hypocritical bullshit. At present, I'm stuck for a publisher for my Daddy's Little Girl story. Pseudo-incest. Apparently that's on their hit list now. Yet you can scroll through the list of what's available on KDP and it seems anything goes. It's the same when writing reviews for Amazon. Profanities abound in a story yet one tiny curse word gets a review rejected.
ReplyDeleteI'll continue write as my muse directs me. If I can't get a publisher I'll publish here, on my blog. At least I can do that...for now...
ReplyDeleteForbidden Fiction have been quite tolerant of things like that. Arena Breed has a scene involving dogs that definitely would not work for most publishers. My impression of Amazon is that they just respond to customer complaints. Does it cost more money to include or not include a given title? One of my stories was removed, but then re-added later. I wonder if there could be a reference site that would serve as a listing of what items have been removed, hidden, or re-added to Amazon.
ReplyDeleteInteresting & thought-provoking. The gay novel "Without Reservations" by J L Langley deals with lovers who shift between men & wolves during sex - very erotic in ways which it's hard to explain, but definitely with a primeval pull to it.
ReplyDeleteThanks James...I think, that as Janine said in the post, it's the allure that sex just might, just might take place at the point of change..I can't remember the title of the book, or the author, but I remember as the guy started to shift to his wolf persona I so wanted them to do it..then something happened, a shock, and he zapped back to being human...I was so disappointed! But I am definitely turned on by Pasiphae and her mating with the bull!
ReplyDeleteWell done for voicing this.
ReplyDeleteOf course it is something that many relish but won't talk about.
Nancy Friday wrote extremely gratuitous erotic fiction involving animals.
My favourite was always the one with a species of ape becoming extinct and the zoo girl needing to find a way to extract semen. Very hot.
Well done for voicing this.
ReplyDeleteOf course it is something that many relish but won't talk about.
Nancy Friday wrote extremely gratuitous erotic fiction involving animals.
My favourite was always the one with a species of ape becoming extinct and the zoo girl needing to find a way to extract semen. Very hot.
Isn't part of the erotic allure of bestiality the idea of submitting...?
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