tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8670812027273632828.post1851440149878242349..comments2023-11-02T06:50:42.777-07:00Comments on billierosie: FEMALE BONDAGEbillierosiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00288997506566830393noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8670812027273632828.post-77755499076684959862010-01-02T11:22:20.465-08:002010-01-02T11:22:20.465-08:00I love my blog and I love the clever, creative, ch...I love my blog and I love the clever, creative, challenging thinkers that come to it.<br /><br />You've all given me a lot to think about -- I am going to put together another post, in the next few days.<br /><br />I shall probably call it CONTRADICTIONS!billierosiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00288997506566830393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8670812027273632828.post-51586905617665629662010-01-01T06:48:43.965-08:002010-01-01T06:48:43.965-08:00Here's what my friend "the Doc" had ...Here's what my friend "the Doc" had to say about the debate...<br /><br /><br />I’ve always had a bit of an issue with the <br />active male/passive female dynamic in the way that it is often described… my main issue is that it figures the passive position as negative, as somehow undesirable and wrong. This, in turn, then leads me to the thought that to be active is to be ‘good’ or ‘better’, and who wants that when being good and better means being pliant to the moralising of the age? In art I have less of this issue as passivity is often figured as aesthetic, beautiful and meaningful – yes it’s often erotic too. However the oft trotted out active gaze discussion is seriously flawed becuse it ignores the pleasures of passivity and only reinforces the idea that the right and proper position is to be in power, power over someone or something...billierosiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00288997506566830393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8670812027273632828.post-87941827298216834632010-01-01T00:57:29.438-08:002010-01-01T00:57:29.438-08:00Here's a gratuitous example which you may susp...Here's a gratuitous example which you may suspect gave the painter a bit of a stiffy:<br /><br />http://www.2artgallery.com/gallery/images/The-Flagellation-of-Our-Lord-Jesus-Christ-Flagellation-de.jpgJanine Ashblesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00840188081214225153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8670812027273632828.post-9258924790032939322010-01-01T00:49:19.404-08:002010-01-01T00:49:19.404-08:00In classical art men men are generally shown being...In classical art men men are generally shown being active, women passive, whatever the situation, aren't they? Or at least, their response to danger/trouble is depicted differently: male response is externalised into obvious, active struggle.<br /><br />I mean, look at the Pieta etc. There's nothing particularly passive about grief - we all know it's a tubulent emotional state of sickening power - but Mary is usually depicted as just sitting there looking unhappy, not raging or beating her breast or tearing her hair. <br /><br />Interestingly, the big exception to the male=active rule is Jesus. He accepts his suffering, in art, with almost no externalised reaction. That's because he's Not Like Other Men.<br /><br />So as to "images in classical art supporting the notion of passive men" - including bondage/whipping scenes - I would suggest most christian art regarding Christ's Passion does fall into this category. Plus some other other martyrdoms. Imagery of St Sebastian springs to mind.Janine Ashblesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00840188081214225153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8670812027273632828.post-47994949957884353972009-12-31T14:17:37.964-08:002009-12-31T14:17:37.964-08:00Hi Billie,
I wondered at your comment that men st...Hi Billie,<br /><br />I wondered at your comment that men struggle in bondage where women are more passive - in writing anyway. I believe it depends on who you are writing for. (and I'm liable to talk myself into a corner here...LOL) <br /><br />It's like the femdom fetish you see online where women wear those tight corsets and heels so high they can hardly walk. That type of femdom is written more for men than women. Now, get the guy massaging my feet while I lay back naked or covered in something soft and I'll bet women will read it much more readily. <br /><br />As for men struggling. Floundering here, but I'll take a stab at it. <br /><br />Men are raised to be strong, not let anyone 'top' them or best them. So a woman who dominates them must be stronger. This is for the male reader, in my opinion. The woman has to be able to restrain him because he isn't able do do so himself, or let other men see it. <br /><br />The femdom I write is much more subtle and written I guess for a female audience. My men don't struggle, or not much. They are told to do exactly what they want to be told to do. If the Domme knows her fella likes to be dressed in panties, she'll order him to do it. He may feel weird doing it, but he's turned on by it and that's what my femdom is all about. <br /><br />Hmm, went from female subbie to male subbie real fast here, didn't I? <br /><br />Women, even in this day and age, are still raised to be submissive to a great degree. Women are also wired differently, which is a good thing. Being submissive is something we've been doing for eons, so it's comfortable for many of us. We don't struggle, because we know it's useless. Being the weaker sex, maybe we know we have to outsmart our Dom's, rather than fight him physically. LOL<br /><br />Okay, I've babbled enough. Great blog, lady!!<br /><br />HugsJude Masonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14067166768734750026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8670812027273632828.post-54858274073603377632009-12-31T03:45:56.326-08:002009-12-31T03:45:56.326-08:00Yes -- the passive/active idea got my head in a mu...Yes -- the passive/active idea got my head in a muddle too, Janine!<br /><br />It wasn't something I started out with -- the idea just occurred to me as I looked at the images.<br /><br />The idea maybe nonsense -- but I certainly couldn't find any images in classical art, supporting the notion of passive men/active women.<br /><br />Perhaps it's something buried deep in our psyche -- men do take an active role, and women are submissive.<br /><br />It probably isn't as simple as that -- dunno! dunno!billierosiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00288997506566830393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8670812027273632828.post-82989129723090179542009-12-30T11:36:38.619-08:002009-12-30T11:36:38.619-08:00Lovely Andromeda pictures - I'm going to snag ...Lovely Andromeda pictures - I'm going to snag them!<br /><br />And I need to think about the passive v. active thing. <br /><br />Argh. Every single response that came to my mind upon reading your post was contradicted by the next thought. I can't even generalise about my own bondage writing. Hmm. Mass of contradictions here, Ashbless...Janine Ashblesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00840188081214225153noreply@blogger.com